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On tipping [Feb. 10th, 2003|10:56 am]
The superior few

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I think that tipping for services rendered should be reserved only for an elite performance, or at least a supernormal performance.

The idea of tipping for just an average services seems wrong and fails to achieve its principle aim, namely to inspire those who work in services to aspire to the highest standards. One mistake or minor error should extinguish or seriously diminish any prospect of a tip. On no account should a tip be simply added onto the bill automatically as a "service charge".
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[User Picture]From: thebluestar98
2003-02-10 09:58 am (UTC)

just another hostile LJ Re:

On no account should a tip be simply added onto the bill automatically as a "service charge".

not even "on the account" that servers make 2.15 an hour?

TIPS is an acronym, did u know that?

well, probably not, so i'll inform you what it means: To Insure Proper Service. not supernatural service, not superhuman service, but proper service. oh, and guess what? servers are humans, which means they are prone to getting stressed out, might even forget a thing here and there, but might just make someones day better just by smiling at them and giving them a little extra attention.... that works both ways too, servers need to be treated as humans, not butlers, yes, they are there To Insure Proper Service [whoa, there it is again, u catch that?], but they are not there to be ran around like a dog playing fetch, which is probably what u do to the server when u go out to eat.

this community and this post is a joke. better than the rest? HAHAHAHAHA! keep tellin urself that.

and ps i agree that tips shouldnt be automatically added, but earned, but ur arguement is still very retarded.

pfft.

:)
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[User Picture]From: radiantsoul
2003-02-10 10:04 am (UTC)

Re: just another hostile LJ Re:

If people don't earn enough from service jobs they should get another job that does not rely on a socially acceptable form of begging to supliment their meager income!
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[User Picture]From: jjostm
2003-02-10 10:50 am (UTC)

Re: just another hostile LJ Re:

And if you don't wish to tip, you shouldn't go to a restaurant to eat.

I would dare you to read your little screed before a server takes your order. See how quickly you get served--if at all. If you were at one of my tables, I'd tell you to leave, politely or otherwise.

-j
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[User Picture]From: radiantsoul
2003-02-11 01:34 am (UTC)

Re: just another hostile LJ Re:

And if you don't wish to tip, you shouldn't go to a restaurant to eat.


No because I am free not to tip. If I did want to pay to sit down and eat I would eat at home. I am happy to pay the extra a restuarant charges for food. However the wages or lack of wages the staff get paid are no concern of mine. I don't care how much a bank cashier or person on a supermarket check-out is paid, why should I worry what a waiter earns?
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[User Picture]From: jjostm
2003-02-11 05:04 am (UTC)

Re: just another hostile LJ Re:

Conversely, a restaurant is free not to serve you, if you are not willing to pay the appropriate fees for service. And, contrary to your belief, a server is not an indentured servant. If we have been slighted in the past by a customer, we are free to refuse to wait upon that table. I have done it before. If you frequently went to a restaurant, and didn't tip, you'd most likely be glossed over by the waitstaff.

As I said, I dare you to go on your little tirade before you place an order at a restaurant. If you don't get slapped or ignored, the waitstaff has more patience with your ilk than I.

-j
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[User Picture]From: boredinsomniac
2003-02-10 05:21 pm (UTC)

Re: just another hostile LJ Re:

A) Tips ain't no acronym; it's just an ordinary word.

B) If this community pisses you off, don't watch it.

C) You're right about the tips though. They are not a reward for service above and beyond the call; they are a supplement to a salary that is very low precisely because tips are expected. If there were no tips, the salaries would go up and you would be paying that amount anyway, the only difference being if the service was truly lousy you wouldn't be able to do much about it. It's easy for someone who doesn't work in service to say that servers should always provide way-above-average service, but anyone who has had such a job knows what doing so would actually mean when you are already exhausted, only human, rushed, and knowing better than to expect a tip whenever a tip is deserved.

Oh, and in many areas servers have to declare 15% of their tables' sales as income, whether they actually get those tips or not.
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[User Picture]From: katai
2003-02-10 10:54 am (UTC)

You

I would love to see you work one day as a waiter or bartender. I am bartender at a very high volume place, I work my ass off, and you know what I get paid an hour 5 dollars, and thats good. The minimum wage is lower for tipped employees, do you realize that. People like you should be forced to stay inside and eat at home. Tipping is part of everything, in Europe its added in, you just seem to be a pompous ass...
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[User Picture]From: radiantsoul
2003-02-11 01:36 am (UTC)

Re: You

I am in Europe.
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[User Picture]From: bariau
2003-05-24 01:57 pm (UTC)

Re: You

Um. It is not added in already in all of Europe - and certainly not here in the UK. I have worked as a bar tender for five years and I get just above minimum wage for my efforts. I laugh, I smile, I chat, I go out of my way for people all the time and I get (generally) extremely little for my time and energy. I do get tips but nowhere near what someone working in a bar in the US might expect.

If you take a 10% as the "usual" tip, yesterday I should have received about £70 but I didn't I got about £20 and that was because I worked a 15 hour shift and some guy bought me two drinks.

Most of our European neighbours do tip for good service or it is included (I believe) but it just goes to show that even in a clump of countries like Europe attitudes to serving staff differ greatly.
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[User Picture]From: techieguru
2003-02-10 01:33 pm (UTC)

I think that servers' wages ought to be livable, and if that means increasing the cost of meals, ok. Once this is done, then tipping ought to be only for exceptional service. Since it hasn't been done yet nationwide (in the U.S.), I'd treat it on a case-by-case basis....for example, in states where employers are legally able to pay their waitstaff $2.13/hour, tipping is essential.
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[User Picture]From: abrokenstarr
2003-02-11 12:34 am (UTC)

For the benefit of everyone above...

If any of you read this. You are all (as far as I can tell, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) from the wrong side of the pond. Fair enough, servers in the States are paid very lowly, over here, they receive at least £4.50 (?) an hour as far as I can tell, which is a pretty reasonable pay, and doesn't need to be subsidised.

However, I tend to tip, just because you do. Funnily enough, I seem to have had this argument with someone before.
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[User Picture]From: jjostm
2003-02-11 05:16 am (UTC)

Re: For the benefit of everyone above...

However, if our little elitist friend came over to this side of the pond, and left nothing along with the fees for food, he would be committing a major faux pas. It is considered a HUGE insult to be left nothing at a table. It is only done when the service has been so attrocious that a tip would be ridiculous. Or, it is done by little snobby bastards who have never waited a single table or worked hard in their lives.

In America, servers make $2.13/hr. generally. (I don't know how that translates to pounds.) This is because the bulk of the money we make is expressly from tips. I don't mind the whole $2.13 thing, the money I make from tips is substantial.

I only wait tables part-time. I work full-time in publishing (when I'm not goofing off on LJ). The money I make is more or less placed directly into savings. But waiters bust their asses for that money--myself included. And to hear little Prince Porteroy prattle on about how will will only give a few extra bucks only if he had preternatural service is grating upon the nerves.

-j
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[User Picture]From: radiantsoul
2003-02-11 07:00 am (UTC)

Re: For the benefit of everyone above...

US$2.13=£1.25

In the UK the minimum wage is £4.40 per hour.
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[User Picture]From: kingnat
2003-03-04 09:05 am (UTC)

Re: For the benefit of everyone above...

I agree that Tips shouldn't be mandatory.
I usually leave them, but I tend to eat only at places where the service is commendable enough to recieve it.
I have to say that the wages for waiters in the US are sub par though. (and that's an understatement)
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[User Picture]From: bariau
2003-05-24 02:01 pm (UTC)

Re: For the benefit of everyone above...

No, 'friad not. The minimum wage here is £4.20 per hour. It will rise in October to £4.50 and again in October 2004 to £4.80. And that is *only* if you are over 21.
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[User Picture]From: jedi_bunny
2003-02-11 12:44 pm (UTC)
I agree 100% all the way.

~hop~
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